This week I have been reflecting a little on what might be some emerging trends following this Coronavirus pandemic. Remote working, reduced real estate requirements for large corporations, sustainability, health and well-being all feature. What does it mean for us as property investors? That we are still figuring out but we can certainly start to look ahead and make plans to be ready can’t we?
We also discuss some upcoming virtual property events and programmes, an update from the current Apprentices and even how introverts and extroverts handle isolation. So, I diverse range of content for you this week then!
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This week I have been reflecting a little on what might be some emerging trends following this Coronavirus pandemic. Remote working, reduced real estate requirements for large corporations, sustainability, health and well-being all feature. What does it mean for us as property investors? That we are still figuring out but we can certainly start to look ahead and make plans to be ready can’t we?
We also discuss some upcoming virtual property events and programmes, an update from the current Apprentices and even how introverts and extroverts handle isolation. So, I diverse range of content for you this week then!
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Welcome to The Property Voice podcast, helping you to navigate safely through the world of property investing. Get the low down and updates, insights, and outcomes on all matters property with a splash of entertainment along the way. The Property Voice, a voice to trust among the crowd. Now, let's get started with your host, Richard Brown.
Hello, and welcome to another episode of The Property Voice podcast. My name is Richard Brown, and as always, it's a pleasure to have you join me again on the show today. Well, I've got something of a smorgasbord of an episode for you today. I guess we're going to be talking about extroverts in isolation. Probably just starting to think about some trends that might be emerging as a result of the Coronavirus experience, and some things that might stick, first thoughts, really, rather than absolutes in that respect. I'm going to share a bit of an update from the latest apprentices, so in their own words we're going to give you a bit of an update. Also, share some virtual events and programs effectively that I'm involved in, and that you can get involved in as well. So I guess, yeah, quite a lot to be getting along with, so stay tuned, and hopefully there's something in here for you as we go through this. Let's get right into it.
The first thing I wanted to talk about is the whole lockdown experience that I think, hopefully, everybody's going through right now. The situation, of course, is that we're in lockdown. We're locked up with whoever we're locked up with, and sometimes that can be all on our own, of course. This was brought to the fore really by a friend of mine. His name's Rich and he's Canadian, so that's it. I don't want to tell too much more personal information, but a bit of a shout out to him.
Rich is an extrovert. He likes the company of people. He gets energy. That's what extroversion means. He gets his energy from outside sources, from connections with people, and he lives alone. Normally he'd be out and socializing in a community type of environment, and so of course for several weeks now, three weeks or something, he's been locked up in an apartment. He has a dog, so hopefully the dog is helping to keep him company, but it's obviously kind of difficult. We talked, we swapped some notes, and I think the whole Zoom call, FaceTime call, house party kind of gathering, et cetera, that probably a lot of us are getting involved in at the moment. A bit of a shout out to people like Zoom and their shares, by the way. But anyway, that's an aside.
It doesn't always create the healthiest of habits either. I think I saw an article about invasion into personal space. Where is the borderline between home and work? What is the difference between introverts and extroverts in terms of this sort of contact? What are the rules? There aren't necessarily any, so I think that's one aspect. You can connect socially. Obviously, we've got social networks, but we know social networks at the moment. One, they can just showcase, if you like, the Photoshop version of our lives, and then two, they can be full of negativity and trolling, and pessimism generally. I'm not sure that social media is the answer. I'm not sure that the FaceTime calls and the Zoom calls are all of the answer for someone who's an extrovert, who perhaps is struggling with this. I'm not talking about anyone in particular, but obviously this can lead on to feelings of isolation and even other types of concerns that we might have to deal with, let's say mental health issues, for example, and other things.
So Rich was asking me, he said, "Have you got any tips, things that I can do to occupy my mind, and that sort of thing?" So myself and a few of my mastermind buddies put our heads together. We've kind of come up with a list of things. He specifically asked about podcasts, actually, so we started with podcasts, and we started to broaden that out into other areas. I guess I'm developing a short list, if you like, of what people could maybe get involved with. I talked about using this time wisely a couple of episodes ago, so how can people use this time wisely? How could they occupy their minds, to let these extrovert gremlins ... keep them at bay? So I'm compiling a bit of a list. If you'd like that list, just reach out to the podcast thepropertyvoice.net, and I'll happily share it with you. So that's if you're on the people side, and you like that contact. You get your energy from other people.
Of course, the introverts might be loving this experience, particularly if they live on their own, of course, because obviously, an introvert will get their energy from within. In fact, actually, they drain their energy when they're in contact and in network with other people. But I guess that's not all it's cracked up to be, perhaps, to be locked up 24 hours a day, particularly if you're all on your own. As I'm not an introvert, I don't feel I can speak expertly on this topic. I think I'm an ambivert. I'm a borderline extrovert, so I have elements of introversion in my personality, but I'm probably leaning towards extroversion. If you knew me when I was 18, you'd say absolutely I'm an extrovert, but things have changed gradually over the years.
But the introverts also in isolation are perhaps having other problems and issues and challenges. Maybe the extroverts are piling in and trying to contact them, do video calls and things like that when they don't really want it, so there's almost an opposite type of problem. Yeah, just bit of a shout out in that respect. I guess my point is, just let's think about the personality types of people around us. There's people who perhaps are enjoying a bit of isolation and their own company for a while, but there's probably quite a few who aren't. Of course, the other thing is there will be people who are literally locked up with others, and things can get a little bit much, can't they?
But just stick with me there. I'm going to talk about some virtual events that maybe you can join in with, so you can perhaps get a bit of an alternative perspective perhaps that's different from the people you're hanging out with. I know that's a bit different, but I thought I'd start with that. Rich, hope you're enjoying the list of things that me and some of my buddies have put together for you, if you happen to be listening. I did actually mention The Property Voice podcast, of course. So that's that.
The next thing I wanted to talk about really was, it's a work in progress, or thoughts in progress, I guess. I've been starting to think about some trends that might come out of this experience that we're all going through right now, perhaps the new normal. I'm going to be thinking about this quite a lot, because I do. I do think about this sort of topic, this sort of thing quite a lot. I've been thinking about trends, actually, for a number of years. Hence, why I wrote a book on prop tech, for example, so yeah, shout out to the book.
But obviously what we've seen recently, we've seen a reduction, for example, in movement, literally all types of movement, in mass transportation, global travel, in particular, has fallen off a cliff. I guess the tube in London was still quite busy, so I understand, but generally speaking, people are looking at the lockdown and obeying that. They're trying to keep everyone safe, flattening this curve, so to speak. But I was wondering what could be the longterm ramifications of this?
Some of the things, I guess, that are on my mind are things like virtual or remote working. I actually see that perhaps continuing, certainly for a period of time. If you think about even if we get out of this lockdown period anytime soon, which at the time of recording I think we've got a few weeks to go, but let's say we're out by the summer worst case, late spring, early summer, worst case scenario. I hope so, anyway. Are we all going to pile on planes and travel to far off places? I don't think we are, really, whether that's for business purposes or leisure purposes. I see a bit of a trend, change, there. So things like virtual meetings, for example, I see an ongoing trend emerging out of that. It might be easy to forecast that things like remote working, or sorry, not remote working, coworking, that's where I was going to go. It might suggest that things like coworking, and even co-living, might not take off. I'm actually wondering whether the opposite though, in all honesty.
Let's just think about coworking for a moment. All of the businesses, if you like, corporates, will probably be reevaluating their real estate needs, their property needs going forward. There will be more remote working from home, but I think also ... So as it's more remote working, the need for physical offices is going to reduce. I actually think that might mean, whilst there will be a reduction in physical offices of say large corporates and midsize corporates even, that they may even, in fact, look towards coworking spaces to plug the gaps. I think there may be some consolidation amongst workspaces for large to medium sized corporations, and I think there actually could be an increase in activity for the coworking sort of spaces.
I was looking recently at an article I had someone pass through to me. It focused on IWG, which used to be Regis. Of course, we've got WeWork as well, but if I contrast it, the IWG model to the WeWork model, IWG has got lots of cash, had been through quite a few downturns actually, survived to tell the tale, and crucially, once they owned some of their own assets, they also rent some of their assets or lease some other assets but on a flexible basis. They cut their own landlords into the deal, which means that in times of buoyancy, both parties win, and in times of leniency, or whatever the word is opposite of buoyancy, hard times, they actually ... The partnership with the landlords, and both parties, take a bit of a haircut, so to speak.
I thought that was a really interesting model, and in fact looking forward, they're looking to franchise. Actually, from an IWG point of view, they're looking to actually outsource some of the capital risk to franchise partners, so I thought that was quite a good model. Yeah, I am actually looking into that business as an interesting model going forward, which if you contrast to, say, WeWork, is hugely capital intensive. I think they lose more than their revenues. I actually did say that right; they lose more than their revenues, or close to it at least, each and every single year. They seem to be locked into longterm lease arrangements, but actually are offering short term lease arrangements, or they've got more short term lease arrangements than IWG. Anyway, [inaudible 00:11:16] I'm drifting into their business model. That's not the point.
My point really is, what sort of trend might emerge? I think there's definitely going to be remote working. What does that mean to us as property investors? Well, let's start thinking about that. Certainly, it could mean that the spaces that we have available need to have things like high speed broadband, for example, and maybe desk spaces, and thought about in terms of the properties that we have to offer, so that's just one little spin off. That's what I'm doing here. I'm just thinking about what the trend might be, and what sort of response it might evoke from us. Of course, there might be the coworking thing. Why I mention coworking, when probably I'm talking to mostly residential property investors here, is because I actually see that the coworking/co-living model could also increase. If coworking is going to increase, I also think co-living can.
Now, this is a double edged sword, because clearly when we've got viruses going around which can be spread very easily with people in close proximity, does that destroy the co-living or HMO shared house type of model? Well, I'm not sure, is the answer, but I do think that if that kind of model is going to exist and carry on to exist, particularly in large types of cities, I think the co-living with working space incorporated could actually be a bit of a growth sector. It might be a niche, but I think it could be a growth sector. That's why I started talking about that. The point of this, of course, is to stimulate thinking. I haven't got to a full conclusion yet in my own thoughts, but I thought I'd put it out there.
I think another trend that's worth keeping an eye on is, of course with reduced travel that we're seeing at the moment, we're seeing less pollution. We're seeing, I don't know about you, but we're seeing lots of sunny days. We're seeing clear skies, cleaner air where there's less traffic on the roads, and less pollution being pumped into the atmosphere. So I think the whole sustainability agenda, the environmental agenda or the green agenda, is probably going to continue, and that's good.
What can we do about that? Well, we can incorporate sustainability into our properties. Of course, it might be not an easy thing to do immediately, but it's something to consider, especially when we're looking at refurbishment, for example, or new build. But in the short term, maybe there's different things we can do. I saw someone post an image on Instagram the other day of a green wall. I don't know if it was a living wall, but it was a green wall. It certainly looked like it was three dimensional, like there was plants on it, so I thought that was really interesting. That was an internal space. Of course, you've got external space as well. I'm just thinking these things through as you can see, and stimulating thought. Hopefully, it's stimulating thoughts on your side.
Another trend clearly has to be health and wellbeing. If you look at some of the search terms, how to boost your immune system, how to eat well, how to exercise at home, all of these things are doing the rounds at the moment. I think, actually, there may be some longevity in this, so we might want to think about these things and what that means to us, not only from a personal point of view, but also from our tenants' or guests', let's say, who are staying in our properties. Does every property have to have a gym? I don't know. Does it have to have a Whole Foods store at the bottom? I don't know, but I'm just starting to think about these things, just wondering really where it might take us.
Perhaps drifting off the direct property themes and trends I'm just observing and signposting you to, there's an economic trend as well that's already begun. Actually, to be fair, it came before the latest Coronavirus crisis, so to speak, and that's this low interest rate environment and high quantity of easing, high government debt type of environment that we've been in, actually, pretty much since the global financial crisis. Very much so now as the governments, not just in the UK but particularly, well, everywhere, I think, pretty much, are pumping money into their economies to prop them up.
What does that mean? Well, it means that it's going to, I think, support asset prices, that's one thing. Usually when there's a lot of money sloshing around, it supports asset prices, so I think whilst there probably will be a recession, there's definitely a massive drop in growth in the short term as a result of this Coronavirus experience, I think actually it might bounce back relatively quick, particularly compared to some of the doldrum recessions of, let's say, the '90s and the '80s and the '70s, for example, which may have taken a long time to come out. Here we've got low interest rates. We've got a high amount of money and capital being pumped into the economy. Yes, there will be some winners and losers, there's no doubt about that. There already is, actually, but I think actually longterm, well, medium term, we may bounce a bit quicker than we might expect.
The global financial crisis took, what, a minimum of four years to come out of the low from 2008? What we might see here, when I look back at, say, the Spanish flu pandemic, which was 100 years ago, it took a couple of years for economies, generally speaking, to recover the lost GDP that fell out of the resulting GDP drop that fell out of the pandemic, the Spanish flu pandemic. We could be looking at maybe something similar. In fact, actually, I think in this particular case we might be looking at an even quicker bounce back.
The reason I say that is with the Spanish flu, it predominantly targeted people of working age, actually. As sad as it was, the people who lost their lives back 100 years ago, a lot of them were of working age. They were productive in the labor market, so there was a reduced labor supply quite literally as a result of that. Obviously, and I'm not trying to be insensitive here, I hope you've probably picked up from a few weeks that I'm sincere about people suffering through this Coronavirus pandemic, so I'm not trying to minimize anybody's pain or suffering, but I'm just talking about the economic impact here.
The reality of Coronavirus is it unfortunately targets the elderly much more seriously than it targets other age groups. Now, it affects all of the age groups. I'm not saying anything controversial here, hopefully, but statistically it can sadly have a greater effect on the elderly, and certainly in terms of death tolls. What does that mean for us? Well, it could mean a redistribution of assets down a generation. Sorry to be cold about it, but it's just a different type of economic response that could fall out of this.
Now, maybe if it's hopefully the percentages of people, ultimately, a percent of the population to lose their life, I'm really hopeful it won't be so significant. Everything we're doing to stay safe will minimize that, so maybe it won't be such a big impact as I'm speculating, but I'm just saying that the Spanish flu affected people of working age, whereas this seems to be predominately affecting people of retirement age, if I can say that. I don't know where that's going to lead to, but I think the longterm ... What am I trying to say? The conclusion, from my perspective, is I think the recovery from this Coronavirus economic is a short, sharp shock, but it might bounce back relatively quickly, relatively quickly being a couple of years. That's my thinking there.
Then the other point is that there could be some response, I guess, from governments because of all the debt we're taking on, so probably, maybe not immediately, but I am probably expecting some form of stealth taxation that might come in, in the next couple of years. Maybe not immediately, because we can't afford that, who knows, but a stealth taxation perhaps in the form of windfall taxes on corporations. There's going to be some corporations that actually do well out of this. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to work out who might do okay out of this. Perhaps online businesses, perhaps pharmaceutical, perhaps even the banking sector might do okay out of this, so maybe there's some windfall tax that might come out of their profits if that's the way it goes, or their revenues, actually, in some cases.
I think also wealth tax on the individual side might come in as well. Wealth tax often follows deep recession and busts anyway. We've had two in a decade, so maybe there will be something that comes out of that too. There we go. Some of my hesitation there, I was trying to read my own writing and my notes, but yeah, just some thoughts really, signposting some trends, some of which may stick. There's some of my initial thoughts. I really want to think about it a bit more over the next coming weeks. I'll probably put pen to paper in some ways as I think about that.
Perhaps now is a good time, though, just to have a break from my voice. What I wanted to do is just cue you up, just to share with you. I like to do this fly on the wall expose, don't I, of the latest TPV apprentices. Well, we had our second group call 35 days in just last week. The apprentices gave a quick update for all of you to listen in to, so I'm just going to have a quick clip there. Let's listen to what the apprentices had to say, and I'll be right back.
So here we are. We've just completed the second call in the latest Property Voice apprenticeship program. I think it was 36 days in, so we're still fairly new into the program. We've had a couple of one to ones. We've already had one of these group calls. This is the second one, of course, the end of it. As usual, I've kept people late just to share with you a little bit about where they're at, so you can just follow their journey. I'm just going to hand over. We'll start with Daniel. So Daniel, just want to tell us a little bit about yourself, and where you're up to so far?
Yeah. Hi, I'm Daniel from Bolton. So far, we worked out our someday goals. What mine is to have something there for the grandkids to go to private school, possibly the kids, and also it's a bit ... I have another property abroad, and understand we live generally comfortably. If I want to go away, I can do. I don't need to worry about it.
So the goals I've got to do is to do three to four projects, conversions, per year, plus get involved with a JV partner, so in the next 12 months, four to five conversions. A good break, though, has been ... I have a clear plan moving forward on that, to get the financing and also with the JV partners there. Something new that we've learned, we've done some personality tests on these, and this has been great to understand a bit more about ourselves and how we operate, and also working with people in the future to see how they operate. Yeah, that's it. Cheers, Richard.
Fantastic. Thanks, Daniel. We appreciate that, and just to move swiftly on, we've got Martin up next.
Hi there. I'm Martin. I live in London, and my goal in the program is to replace my consulting income. At the moment I'm engaging Richard to help me with the strategy to get me there. The strategy at the moment will be looking at HMOs outside of London. Something that I realized, for a bit of a breakthrough moment, was realizing how many resources I have already to get me there, so it's just a question of time. Everything's possible. The other thing I've realized is that life can look quite different when I leave my contracting consulting world, and move forward into a property world. Everything's possible, and life can look really bright.
Indeed it can. Thanks, Martin. Really appreciate that. Up next, we have Monica.
Yes. Hello everyone. My name's Monica. In terms of my outlying goal, just to remind the reason, I wanted to have a copper bottom, solid plan to shift my existing HMO investment focus to a more passive structure where I'm less involved, much less hands on, and at least by the end of the program, to have one or two options really lined up, or at least a clear pathway forward. In terms of my longterm goal really, it's to make sure that in the next year, possibly two, this is my mainstreaming type of activity that I'm involved in, and I'm able to generate returns of 100K a year that grows from my passive investments.
What's been my aha moment is a couple, really. No matter what happens out there, things are never as bad as they seem. Once you have life, you will recover. If you have a good network of people around you, they'll be able to speak some objectivity into your circumstances, and calm things down. It's always good to have a good mentor and good colleagues and other apprentices around to speak into one situation, so your network is really powerful. The next aha moment was, it's still possible, even in times like this. That's been amazingly reassuring for me. Thank you.
You're welcome. Thanks, Monica, for that. We appreciate it, and of course now we have Silvana.
Hi. I'm Silvana. I live in Reading. My someday goal is to become financially free, and now thanks to Richard, I have a more clear idea on how to achieve that. I'm basically concentrated to gain more capital in charge, because I resigned from my previous job. I'm doing this as a full time job, the property business investment, most sides of it, like flips, and I want to learn about project managing and sourcing. Just discovered that due to the situation with COVID, the banks are just lending 60% of capital, so that will be another challenge to overcome. Thank you.
Thanks, Silvana. Thanks everybody, actually. I really appreciate those shares. You can see that there's some things which are common. There's obviously some things which are different, perhaps in some of the strategies and direction. I'm loving working with each one of you. We've had a couple of ones once now. We're getting to know each other. We obviously had a couple of group calls as well, so I just wanted to say thanks from my side. I always love this process, just with a couple of you, four of you actually, obviously, and get to know you better. I'm just trying to play a small part in helping you to achieve some of the goals that you set for yourself, so thanks very much. We appreciate that.
Well, isn't it great? We heard from Daniel, Martin, Monica, and Silvana 35 days into their journey of the TPV apprentice program, which is a 100 day program. During that program, we get lots of ones at one time. We get group calls, we get sharing in a community, if you like. There's a knowledge base, and everyone can network with one another. We're going slowly. I keep saying trust the process that people are going through, because it's a 100 day program for a reason, but equally, I just thought it was opportune to mention some of the other events and programs that I've got going on at the moment. First of all, I've got a 30 day property jumpstart program. Obviously, we've got a 100 day apprentice program, and I've already got a few people looking at the next program.
What I thought to do is just look at the fact that making use of our time, and a 30 day property jumpstart program. I've got an alternative to the apprentice program, which is a quicker intervention. It's still going to be a small number of people, four to six people. I'm looking to start that at the end of this month, close the doors on it fairly soon. I'm offering that at a 1500 pound ticket price, so the price will go up, is what I'm saying, after the first program.
If that's of interest to you, the big takeaways from that will be you'll get a business plan. You'll understand your personal profile and how you can engage with others, and you'll have a personal development and business development action plan. They're the three big takeaways from that particular program. It's going to be much more of a group setting with me and also with the other people in the program. Less one to one time, but there will be some one to one time. If that's of interest, reach out to me. We can have a conversation, limited number, because I like to work with people I can get to know and care about, frankly. So that's the property jumpstart.
But a couple of other events just for you, and perhaps a callback to what was said at the beginning of the podcast today about introverts and extroverts and that sort of thing, there's a couple of live events. There's the TPV Live Lunchtime Wednesdays, so that's 1:00 on Wednesdays. It's open to anyone who's listening to this. It's open to anyone in my community. There's no charge. It's a Zoom call. There's no agenda. You drive the agenda. If you just want to sit there, and just talk and listen in, you don't have to. You can do that too. There's no pressure to do anything, say anything. There's no upsell. There's nothing like that. It's just an offer from me to my community at this point in time. If you want to know about how to get involved in that, you can just send me an email, podcast@thepropertyvoice.net. I'll tell you about how to log on.
Equally, if you look at the TPV meetup group, if you look at Meetup, the app and the platform, obviously pretty much everything on Meetup these days is virtual, as indeed is TPV Live Lunchtime Wednesdays, you can join the Meetup group. Then once you've RSVP'd to this meetup, you can get the Zoom link details and join us that way. No pressure on anyone whatsoever, but there we go if you want to do that.
Equally, I was wondering what can I do at this point in time? One of the things I can do at this point in time is to give back to my own community, so the live call I've just spoken about is an example of that. My mastermind group example, I'm doing coffee time calls and town hall calls every single working day. I put a pause on some of the fee collection for the mastermind programs. I'm just trying to give back, I guess. I was thinking, can I do more?
Then I was contacted by the organizers of an event. It's quite a new style of event. It's called a virtual property networking event, and it's going to be an online platform. It's obviously virtual. There's going to be a range of speakers, and it runs from Friday, the 17th until Sunday, the 19th of April. It's three half day sessions. I'm speaking on day one, and I'm very happy to be, and there's a bunch of other speakers as well. I'll put some links in the show notes for that event, and details of how you can get tickets. It's completely free as well, so it's free to get a ticket.
What I would say, though, is we're trying to support NHS charities, so there's an option to donate to NHS charities as well. Obviously, I'd encourage you to do that, but if your financial situation doesn't allow, there's no pressure. You can just come and attend the event. There's going to be speakers, there's going to be networking opportunities, and of course if you wish, you can support NHS charities. We're just trying to raise money for a good cause. Not all speakers are getting paid. Excuse me. It's just an opportunity to learn and to share. This is an independent type of networking group, so it's not affiliated to any large organization. Of course, there's a sponsor, I think Knight Frank will sponsor the event. Anyway, just signpost you to that. I'm talking about bulletproofing your property portfolio, which I think is relevant, on day one. If nothing else, have a listen in to my slot. Sign up, and have a listen in to my slot. I'll show you where to get tickets on the website. Well, just reach out to me and I'll tell you where to get the tickets instead.
So there we go. I think they're the main things I wanted to cover off today. So yeah, as I mentioned, a bit of a smorgasbord. We talked about introversion and extroversion, so when reaching out to friends, perhaps consider what kind of energy they prefer. Some people might need more contacts. Some people might actually need less contact. If you want the resources I mentioned for the extroverts, just write in. I'll just share what we've got. Hopefully something in there that will help you.
I started talking about the trends. I think I'll return to that topic at a later stage, but maybe you've got some ideas on that? Why don't you message me and let me know your thoughts, or get into contact on social media? I'd love to hear from you. We had the apprentices update. Of course, I've talked about the jumpstart program. If you're interested in that, just reach out to me. I'll close the doors once we've got the right number, a 30 day property jumpstart program, and I've got the live event, so TPV Live Lunchtime Wednesdays, and the virtual property networking event, which will be this weekend. Hopefully you've listened to the podcast quite close to the release time and date, and know about that. Sorry if not, but there might be another event later on, I'm sure, in these times.
So there we go. I'll draw a line. The show notes are going to be over the website, thepropertyvoice.net. Of course, if you want to talk to me about anything from today's show, anything to do with property, generally speaking you can reach me at podcast@thepropertyvoice.net as well. I guess all that remains right now is to say thank you very much for listening once again this week. Until next time on The Property Voice podcast, [inaudible 00:34:09].
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